《巴夏：耶稣与宽恕》

问：

I was also wondering if you could elaborate more on the idea of forgiveness.

我想，你能否跟我们详细讲解一下“宽恕”

It's something that's very pertinent to my life

宽恕跟我的生活，密切相关

巴夏：

As we said, it mitigates the idea of the consequences of negative acts.

正如我们所说的，宽恕减轻了负面行为的后果

What more needs to be said about it

还有什么需要说的吗？

问：

Why it is so difficult?

为什么宽恕这么难？

巴夏：

I'll say this,

我这么说吧

You have had many expressions and examples of what you would call masters on your planet throughout your history, ascended masters, learned teachers

你们历史上，出现过很多开悟大师、扬升大师、圣人、贤者

Who have created many different kinds of expressions and passion plays and so on and so forth.

对于如何活出精彩生命，他们做了很多精妙的讲解，与实际的行动榜样

In what you call your biblical literature.

在你们的《圣经》中

You have the idea of the christ consciousness being nailed to a cross

有提到，耶稣被钉在十字架上的故事

People on your planet say

你们地球人说：

He died for your sins

「祂为我们的罪死了」《哥林多前书》15章3-4节

What that really means is, is that

这句话的真正的意思是：

When he said, father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

当耶稣说：“父啊！宽恕他们吧！因为他们不知道他们做的是什么！”

He was expressing the idea specifically that

祂说这个，想表达的是：

The energy of forgiveness would mitigate the negative consequences for all the people that it actually done that to him.

宽恕的能量，能减轻所有的人对祂所做的，而导致的的负面结果

That's what forgiving you for your sins means

这是“宽恕了你的罪”的真正意思

That's what the phrase means is that “he died for your sins”

这就是“祂为你们的罪死了”这句话的真正意思

By teaching you in the middle of that act, in the middle of what people had done

在受难过程中，耶稣向人们教导:

Teaching that forgiveness was his way of actually relieving them

人们对祂做的一切，祂都宽恕

of any negative consequences of the choices that they made to do that to him.

祂的宽恕，能给消除（减轻）他们这种行为导致的任何负面结果

That's what that means.

这才是耶稣的教导的真正意思

So it was a very profound act of compassion

所以，耶稣的行为，充满了极深的爱意

And a very great teaching lesson

而且这也是一堂宝贵、伟大的课

if you understand what the lesson actually was,

如果你真的清楚“耶稣的真意”

And you understand what forgiveness is

以及宽恕的真意

Does that help?

这对你有帮助吗？

问：

Yes! And on that note I'm in the course in miracles right now.

很有帮助！我现在在研习《奇迹课程》中

巴夏：

All right.

很好！（以下翻译，个人理解，未必正确）

问：

And so that that forgiveness is a huge thing

在《奇迹课程》中，宽恕是非常重要的

I'm very interested in the idea of the first separation

我对 神/上主/一切万有 的第一次分裂，非常感兴趣

And the forgiveness of that separation, as it is discussed in that book

以及对《奇迹课程》中谈到的“对分裂的宽恕”，也想深入了解

巴夏：

The idea of the first separation is what we have typically referred to as the angelic realm.

神/上主/一切万有 的第一次分裂，就是我们所说的:天使

The first reflection of All That Is, of itself

天使，作为“神”的第一个 对照物

Can in some senses, be said to be what became the recognition of the angels

在某种意义上可以说，天使，使“神”可以认出“神”与“天使”

The so-called idea of forgiveness enters this equation

同样的，宽恕也可以这么看

Only in the sense of knowing that there is really nothing to forgive

宽恕，只是让你明白，没什么需要宽恕

Within the idea of simply experiencing yourself from a different point of view,

因为你只是从另外一个角度，去体验你自己

And that by adding the negative polarity into the equation

通过引入负面的东西

Is where it comes into thinking that forgiveness is needed.

使得认为“你需要宽恕”这种想法，变得可能

So the forgiveness in this sense in this context, as you mean it

所以，按照这种说法，你所谓的宽恕

Is the forgiveness of thinking you needed forgiveness

是宽恕你自己“需要宽恕他人”的这种想法

In order to experience a polarized reflection of yourself

因为这样，你才能从相反的一面，去体验你自己

Because it's simply one way to experience yourself

因为这也只是体验自己的一种方法

And there is nothing necessarily negative about using negativity in a positive way

所以，以“正面的方式”使用“负面东西”，那负面就不是负面

And therefore there is nothing to forgive, If that is the way it is used

因此，如果这么做的话，就没什么需要宽恕

Does that make sense? -- Yeah!

明白吗？--是的！

Does that help?

这对你有帮助吗？

问：

Yeah! Very much does ---All right.

是的！非常有帮助！很好！

巴夏：

Thank you.  Thank you!

谢谢你！--- 谢谢你！

I forgive you for asking the question,

我宽恕你问了这个问题

No, no, no forgiveness requires.

不！不！无需宽恕！